Yeah I too have had problems with reds.
Its not just Philips backing the + format by the way. Many of the cheaper make such as Yamada and Campacks (Woolworths) are making +r machines.
+R was actually designed for video use, and was slightly ahead right at the start of DVD burning. They are also the first to have brought out Dual Layer DVDs that can hold about 7GB of data as opposed to the normal single layers at 4.7gb.
-R was originally a data format, that was later adapted to cope with video also.
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Ah Betamax got kicked by VHS and the DVD+ system has already lost to DVD- hence DVD-R is now known as DVDR. DVDR discs are as cheap as chips but + discs are more
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"Digital8 and miniDV record uncompressed video."
No they don't. Both those formats are compressed by a ratio of 5:1. If you want less compressed, or uncompressed video, you have to be talking broadcast formats like DV50, DV100 or Digi-Beta.
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No they don't. Both those formats are compressed by a ratio of 5:1. If you want less compressed, or uncompressed video, you have to be talking broadcast formats like DV50, DV100 or Digi-Beta.
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Ah now be careful ghostdog!
Blueray discs will be dual layerd discs 9.4 and not to be mixed up with the 4.7. Currently there are no DVD recorders utilising the dual layer technolgy hence blueray not mentioned.
Don't forget all Datawrite discs red, yellow or the new gen 5 greens are DATA discs enhanced for video hence their name DATAWRITE! They use diffrent dyes and boot codes but they are not really good for DVDR recorders. Try a simple compression test with Datawrite and Ritek discs that's the genuine RITEK ones and ritek wins pants down. Ritek discs are true genuine video discs hence their name play of RIGHT TECH. The G05 terminology justs reffers to the little boot ring on the inner circle of the disc which contains format information for the DVD player or the PC and has nothing to do with disc colour. The coulour of the disc has nothing to do with it's quality it's just that legally the Panasonic/ Toshiba corp only agree license for the pourple/blue disc to honour their agreement with the film industry. Just think if DVDR could be produced in native silver all the copies would fool everyone.
Remeber DVD-R was created by Panasonic and Toshiba and they only licensed Ritek to create and enhance the dye format which is why you get Datawrite & co using the Ritek dye under license.
Phillips alone created DVD+R and they also created BETAMAX ahhhhhhh
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Blueray discs will be dual layerd discs 9.4 and not to be mixed up with the 4.7. Currently there are no DVD recorders utilising the dual layer technolgy hence blueray not mentioned.
Don't forget all Datawrite discs red, yellow or the new gen 5 greens are DATA discs enhanced for video hence their name DATAWRITE! They use diffrent dyes and boot codes but they are not really good for DVDR recorders. Try a simple compression test with Datawrite and Ritek discs that's the genuine RITEK ones and ritek wins pants down. Ritek discs are true genuine video discs hence their name play of RIGHT TECH. The G05 terminology justs reffers to the little boot ring on the inner circle of the disc which contains format information for the DVD player or the PC and has nothing to do with disc colour. The coulour of the disc has nothing to do with it's quality it's just that legally the Panasonic/ Toshiba corp only agree license for the pourple/blue disc to honour their agreement with the film industry. Just think if DVDR could be produced in native silver all the copies would fool everyone.
Remeber DVD-R was created by Panasonic and Toshiba and they only licensed Ritek to create and enhance the dye format which is why you get Datawrite & co using the Ritek dye under license.
Phillips alone created DVD+R and they also created BETAMAX ahhhhhhh
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Hi Revo
You chose well with your e55 a very good alround machine. RAM discs are Panasonics answer to re-writeable discs except the RAM discs makes RW look dated. RAM compresses on a higher memory level than RW and uses RAM mem similar to PC meaning you can watch what you have recorded whilst it's live recording. Transfering video is painfull with the E55 as it only as real time recording to disc. I have the E95 in the studio which has an hard drive so if chosen a fire wire connection can be achieved but with no advantage to speed, I also have an E30 at home and an E50 in the kids room which I find great when using branded discs.
Unfortunatley you will have to leave the camcorder running whilst transferring information and by the sound of that bleeding camera may I suggest you loose it and get a minidv version.
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You chose well with your e55 a very good alround machine. RAM discs are Panasonics answer to re-writeable discs except the RAM discs makes RW look dated. RAM compresses on a higher memory level than RW and uses RAM mem similar to PC meaning you can watch what you have recorded whilst it's live recording. Transfering video is painfull with the E55 as it only as real time recording to disc. I have the E95 in the studio which has an hard drive so if chosen a fire wire connection can be achieved but with no advantage to speed, I also have an E30 at home and an E50 in the kids room which I find great when using branded discs.
Unfortunatley you will have to leave the camcorder running whilst transferring information and by the sound of that bleeding camera may I suggest you loose it and get a minidv version.
Bill BXD
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Oh dear. There does seem to be a lot of technical and factual confusion in this thread. Allow me to shed a little light on the issues and put you straight.
"Blueray discs will be dual layerd discs 9.4"
Blue-Ray will be both single and dual layered. The single layered disc will hold 25GB and the Dual layered discs will hold 50GB (significantly more than 9.4GB).
?Currently there are no DVD recorders utilizing the dual layer technology hence blueray not mentioned.?
Oh, really? What about these then?
?The G05 terminology just refers to the little boot ring on the inner circle of the disc which contains format information for the DVD player or the PC and has nothing to do with disc colour.?
G05 refers to the current formulation of the Ritek dye. The G05 dye was introduced to match the capabilities of Ritek recordable media to the new 8 speed burners (the G04 dye was excellent, but it was a 4 speed dye). Ritek is not the only manufacturer of quality media, there?s CMC Magnetics, which you?ve probably not heard of, because most of their media is already contracted up to be branded as Verbatim, Pioneer, Apple, etc. Then there are dye manufactures like Fuji and Mitsubishi.
?The coulour of the disc has nothing to do with it's quality it's just that legally the Panasonic/ Toshiba corp only agree license for the pourple/blue disc to honour their agreement with the film industry.?
Don?t know about that. But the slightly differing colours between different brands of DVD discs is due to the differing formulations of the organic dye that is bonded between the top and bottom layers of the polycarbonate construction (recordable DVD?s are of a laminate construction). It is this organic dye that is altered during the burning process.
?Just think if DVDR could be produced in native silver all the copies would fool everyone.?
Er, what?
?Remeber DVD-R was created by Panasonic and Toshiba and they only licensed Ritek to create and enhance the dye format which is why you get Datawrite & co using the Ritek dye under license.?
?Datawrite? is not a firm or manufacturer as such, it is really nothing more than a brand name used by a large European optical media distributor based in Edinburgh (who I deal with). This distributor contracts Ritek to brand standard Ritek disks with their ?Datawrite? logo. Hey, if I had sufficient funds (or credit) to order a million discs from Ritek in Taiwan, I could do the same, and have them put my logo on. Then I could offer you a ?Dibble Disc? complete with the G05 dye. Hmmm, now there?s a thought?
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"Blueray discs will be dual layerd discs 9.4"
Blue-Ray will be both single and dual layered. The single layered disc will hold 25GB and the Dual layered discs will hold 50GB (significantly more than 9.4GB).
?Currently there are no DVD recorders utilizing the dual layer technology hence blueray not mentioned.?
Oh, really? What about these then?
?The G05 terminology just refers to the little boot ring on the inner circle of the disc which contains format information for the DVD player or the PC and has nothing to do with disc colour.?
G05 refers to the current formulation of the Ritek dye. The G05 dye was introduced to match the capabilities of Ritek recordable media to the new 8 speed burners (the G04 dye was excellent, but it was a 4 speed dye). Ritek is not the only manufacturer of quality media, there?s CMC Magnetics, which you?ve probably not heard of, because most of their media is already contracted up to be branded as Verbatim, Pioneer, Apple, etc. Then there are dye manufactures like Fuji and Mitsubishi.
?The coulour of the disc has nothing to do with it's quality it's just that legally the Panasonic/ Toshiba corp only agree license for the pourple/blue disc to honour their agreement with the film industry.?
Don?t know about that. But the slightly differing colours between different brands of DVD discs is due to the differing formulations of the organic dye that is bonded between the top and bottom layers of the polycarbonate construction (recordable DVD?s are of a laminate construction). It is this organic dye that is altered during the burning process.
?Just think if DVDR could be produced in native silver all the copies would fool everyone.?
Er, what?
?Remeber DVD-R was created by Panasonic and Toshiba and they only licensed Ritek to create and enhance the dye format which is why you get Datawrite & co using the Ritek dye under license.?
?Datawrite? is not a firm or manufacturer as such, it is really nothing more than a brand name used by a large European optical media distributor based in Edinburgh (who I deal with). This distributor contracts Ritek to brand standard Ritek disks with their ?Datawrite? logo. Hey, if I had sufficient funds (or credit) to order a million discs from Ritek in Taiwan, I could do the same, and have them put my logo on. Then I could offer you a ?Dibble Disc? complete with the G05 dye. Hmmm, now there?s a thought?
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"DVD-R is now known as DVDR"
Really? I hadn?t heard that. Does the International DVD Forum know about this?
And how do you suggest we go on when ordering a few containers of blank media from Hong Kong? They usually like to know what type of media is required +R or ?R. Do you think we should simply ask for DVDR and take potluck? Or maybe we should let them send us a mystery mixture, to brighten up our humdrum purchasing experience? Or, from now on, are you suggesting that they will just send DVD-R? When one is spending umpteen thousand quid one likes to be a little precise of what one is going to get.
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Really? I hadn?t heard that. Does the International DVD Forum know about this?
And how do you suggest we go on when ordering a few containers of blank media from Hong Kong? They usually like to know what type of media is required +R or ?R. Do you think we should simply ask for DVDR and take potluck? Or maybe we should let them send us a mystery mixture, to brighten up our humdrum purchasing experience? Or, from now on, are you suggesting that they will just send DVD-R? When one is spending umpteen thousand quid one likes to be a little precise of what one is going to get.
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Sorry should have been watching what I was typing more. Their DV compression is very slight compared the MPEG compression used in DVD which is much more noticeable.
Analog is truly uncompressed video, but the reproduction quality still depends on the bandwidth available and frequencey response of the machine and tape used. I have always maintained that BetacamSP gives a more natural picture than Digital formats. After all, our eyes see life in "analog", whereas digital can only stand to form a binary representation of the real image. Any digital format has to draw the line at a certain number of samples and quantise levels, wheras with eyes and analog formats its potentially infinite.
Modern TV sets are rubbish though since digital processing was introduced into their circuitry nothing looks good anymore. A broadcast monitor only shows the true potential of the footage.
Analog is truly uncompressed video, but the reproduction quality still depends on the bandwidth available and frequencey response of the machine and tape used. I have always maintained that BetacamSP gives a more natural picture than Digital formats. After all, our eyes see life in "analog", whereas digital can only stand to form a binary representation of the real image. Any digital format has to draw the line at a certain number of samples and quantise levels, wheras with eyes and analog formats its potentially infinite.
Modern TV sets are rubbish though since digital processing was introduced into their circuitry nothing looks good anymore. A broadcast monitor only shows the true potential of the footage.
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As a former video repair technician I have to inform you here that BETAMAX was a SONY invention. It was superior to VHS, but cost more to produce hence machines were higher priced. The tight-fisted public was the killer of Betamax as they all oped for the cheaper inferior VHS system to save money, but really by killing Betamax we all deprived ourselves of better quality home video for a decade.
(Sony licenced the Betamax format to several other companies. Common ones to find were Sanyo/Fisher, Toshiba and NEC though there may have been others we never worked on them. During the early years of VHS/Beta battle Sony did not make VHS machines).
Some people may remember PHILIPS had its own completely different systems which it collaberated with GRUNDIG on.
First came the N1500, followed by N1700, and then probably the most famous, the V2000 format which had double sided tapes (4 hours per side). This was also a technically better system which could provide perfect pauses, and ff/rewind search without interference at all. Again it was too costly and nobody bought it. Philips are the most common ones of these, they were also sold as PYE, then there were a few GRUNDIG ones and I dont think anyboy else made them.
(Sony licenced the Betamax format to several other companies. Common ones to find were Sanyo/Fisher, Toshiba and NEC though there may have been others we never worked on them. During the early years of VHS/Beta battle Sony did not make VHS machines).
Some people may remember PHILIPS had its own completely different systems which it collaberated with GRUNDIG on.
First came the N1500, followed by N1700, and then probably the most famous, the V2000 format which had double sided tapes (4 hours per side). This was also a technically better system which could provide perfect pauses, and ff/rewind search without interference at all. Again it was too costly and nobody bought it. Philips are the most common ones of these, they were also sold as PYE, then there were a few GRUNDIG ones and I dont think anyboy else made them.