Israeli Soldiers - Gutless Cunts

[Holden MacGroyn]

OK, this story fucking sickens me.
Read it yourself & see why I have such a deep hatred for the IDF.
Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident.
Perhaps you'll remember the boy & his dad hiding behind a bin and getting shot.
Or the little Palestinian girl in a classroom who was shot in the head by an Israeli border checkpoint sniper claiming she was a terrorist.
The list does go on, but before you feel the need and grow the balls to tell me "Well Palestine have done....blah fucking blah", riddle me this.

Why is it that Israel has broken more U.N regulations than Iraq ever did but doesn't get fucked a single inch by the so called fucking "Free Democractic West".
Ariel Sharon is a cunt and I hope he fucking gets gunned down for his own crimes against humanity and ther bad name he has given peaceloving Jews around the world

Anyway, here it is:



In case you can't be arsed to click, here it is.


[quote]Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child

Radio exchange contradicts army version of Gaza killing

Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Wednesday November 24, 2004
The Guardian

An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.
The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month.

A tape recording of radio exchanges between soldiers involved in the incident, played on Israeli television, contradicts the army's account of the events and appears to show that the captain shot the girl in cold blood.

The official account claimed that Iman was shot as she walked towards an army post with her schoolbag because soldiers feared she was carrying a bomb.

But the tape recording of the radio conversation between soldiers at the scene reveals that, from the beginning, she was identified as a child and at no point was a bomb spoken about nor was she described as a threat. Iman was also at least 100 yards from any soldier.

Instead, the tape shows that the soldiers swiftly identified her as a "girl of about 10" who was "scared to death".

The tape also reveals that the soldiers said Iman was headed eastwards, away from the army post and back into the refugee camp, when she was shot.

At that point, Captain R took the unusual decision to leave the post in pursuit of the girl. He shot her dead and then "confirmed the kill" by emptying his magazine into her body.

The tape recording is of a three-way conversation between the army watchtower, the army post's operations room and the captain, who was a company commander.

The soldier in the watchtower radioed his colleagues after he saw Iman: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."

Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot in the leg from one of the army posts.

The watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."

The company commander then moves in as Iman lies wounded and helpless.

Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Witnesses described how the captain shot Iman twice in the head, walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body. Doctors at Rafah's hospital said she had been shot at least 17 times.

On the tape, the company commander then "clarifies" why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."

The army's original account of the killing said that the soldiers only identified Iman as a child after she was first shot. But the tape shows that they were aware just how young the small, slight girl was before any shots were fired.

The case came to light after soldiers under the command of Captain R went to an Israeli newspaper to accuse the army of covering up the circumstances of the killing.

A subsequent investigation by the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically".

However, the military police launched an investigation, which resulted in charges against the unit commander.

Iman's parents have accused the army of whitewashing the affair by filing minor charges against Captain R. They want him prosecuted for murder.

Record of a shooting

Watchtower
'It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward'
Operations room
'Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?'
Watchtower
'A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death'
Captain R (after killing the girl)
'Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed'

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[Holden MacGroyn]

They didn't have too much of a problem when that piece of shit Gerry Adams went over to NY to raise some funds and did the whole publicity whore machine with Clinton.
Hypocritical bastards.

There was a film with Brad Pitt & Harrison Ford which had Pitt playing an IRA man.
Typical hollywood bollocks glamourising Pitt's character and trying to make the IRA look wonderful and get your sympathy vote.
I think it was called The Devils Own.
Pitt or Ford disowned it when they sa the final release.

[Pervert]

There is a huge pro-Israeli lobby in Washington, and a huge amount of "campaign donations" coming from Jewish groups. Yes, Israel is one of the few countries in the Middle East that western nations can consider a friend---but with friends like Sharon . . . .

Incidentally, another government with links to far-right religious groups.

So long as Palestinian children are seen as legitimate targets by gung-ho officers in the Israeli military (and what's the betting Captain R goes into politics in a few years?), there will be shortage of volunteers for suicide bombing missions.

As the International Red Cross asked a few days ago, where is the humanity?

[Illinoisblue]

It's all too easy for us keyboard warriors to pass judgement on those who are, literally, on the front line.

In the fog of war, in the heat of the moment, who is to say we wouldn't react in exactly the same way?

[steve56]

not kids surely.

[Holden MacGroyn]

Are you mad?
Read the transcript.
If you would react in the same way as him, then it's a fucking good job you are in Chicago.

[Illinoisblue]

You weren't there, you don't know what he saw.

All you have is a report from a left-wing newspaper.

That said, my comments were more general; what is 'acceptable' behaviour in war?

When you've seen your friends and colleagues have their heads blown off or lose limbs who is to say how that will affect you?

Instead of having witchhunts against individuals wouldn't it be better to focus on generation after generation, politician after politician (on both sides) who won't budge an inch, concede a point or do anything that might stop the killing - and the need for armed guards at checkpoints.

[Holden MacGroyn]

Firstly, you have no idea wether I have served in the military or not.
Don't make lousy assumptions.

Secondly, look at the transcript.
The radio transcript.

He went back and emptied a clip even though he had shot her twice in the head.

Absolute fucking bollocks to try and defend that.
You may as well defend the headhunters in Iraq with that mentality.