There's room for that cheap and cheerful 'Carry On' type of porn we seem to excel at.
But when that seems to be the only thing thats really going on in Brit mainstream porn, then you just KNOW something is really wrong.
The stubborn and negative attitudes to change some of the porn producers here seem insistent sticking to are disconcerting - it's means little, if no varience/improvement in the quality of the product.
This in turn means we get royally shafted (yet again!) by superior foreign product.
Oh well, what do ya do?!!
pagangod.
Porn lighting
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pagangod_uk
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Oh no, here I go again...!
And this is exactly what I'm talking about - this myopic, narrow-minded, any-old-bollocks-will-do attitude.
For starters, the so-called 'repetitive American crap' (and Brit porn isn't repetitive??!!) tends to use pretty much the same type of shooting kit - hand-held DV cameras, but they possess something you progress-fearing dinosaurs lack in truck-loads: IMAGINATION.
Oh yeah, to repeat myself - good quality, or to use that 'evil' term (at least to some here!) 'Production Values' - DOES NOT mean things costing an arm and leg, like I've already clearly stated, it's about SKILL.
I remember encountering the very SAME negative attitude about quality 7-8 years ago when I dipped my toe into the biz, and it's very, very clear that exacty the same attitude STILL very much dominates.
No change there then.
History lession for those of you who shoot in the so-called 'Gonzo' style but nonetheless criticise the yanks - gonzo was invented, it's generally acknowledged, by U.S. Performer-turned Director John (Bendover Babes) Stagliano, which was in turn adopted by our dearly-loved Ben Dover, then everybody else over here copied ad nauseum!! -
You Directors and Cameramen don't have to be trained to the BBC level, all you need to do is to study whats going in the porn that REALLY sells and you'll see precisely what I'm talking about - if you watch technique, sometimes it rubs off...!
And no, lighting does NOT have to be elaborate - a couple of lights with reflector brollies will suffice, plus this type of light FLATTERS the appearance of the girls - please DON'T tell me the girls looking good is not important!!!
Jimslip proudly revels in making porn on an almost amateur level as do others like him - but if he'd actually throughly read my original post he'd have realised that I'm NOT talking about, and I quote jimslip, ''swimming pool, stupid blue light hidden behind the sofa, venetian blinds, stupid twat in shades and bandanna, stupid twat girl with big hair and false tits'' etc, etc!
I too hate all that super glossy Vivid and Wicked, Michael Ninn type of pretentious rubbish!!
Also, that sort of style, by the way Jimslip, is SO early nineties - is that the last time you actually checked out your U.S. counterparts?
I mean are there any porn-makers here who are even aware that there's been a huge backlash in the last few years to what is known in the (U.S.) porn biz as the L.A. Makeover (plastic tits, big hair etc) look? The natural-look has been BIG for quite some time now.
Somebody here has already stated that porn is about fantasy and I think we all can all AGREE that is pretty much the truth - so if this maxim is indeed true, then why the living hell do we have to have a cameraman whos all over the place, quite often picking up his own reflection in a mirror? If I wanted to see some twat in a porn vid holding a camera I could film myself having a wank!!
My point here, is that every time the camera wobbles all over the place, it takes you OUT of the moment and you start to notice you're in a squalid litttle bedsit in South London watching girls who look like Crack-Hoes being porked by dodgy blokes who sound like used like used car salemen.
Thats not porn, thats just shit.
Some of you porn-makers really NEED to check out whats actually CURRENT in mainstream U.S. porn - Evil Angel, RedLight, Platinum etc, all produce excellent quality product, with top-notch content, featuring fantastic girls - U.S. Brit and Euro, all shot on DV, all gonzo style, all shot with MODEST budgets.
These guys KNOW how to shoot beautiful women - the likes of Alicia Rhodes, Issy Ice, Holly Wellin, Poppy Morgan etc. have never looked better, or performed as down and dirty in Brit porn as they have their in U.S. appearances!!
I keep hearing the very same excuses made by the very same people time and time again - money, legalities, punters don't care, etc. No not true - some of this is about GREED - I would say most producers are unwilling to plow money BACK into their product to improve it, which is sad, because it would REALLY sell abroad.
This is why we can't contend with the likes of the U.S. product and the quality Euro product (AssTraffic, DDF, 21st Sextury etc,), we are WAY behind the rest of the world because our producers are greedy, small-minded individuals that lack anything like foresight.
If we stay like this, stuck in an Eighties mentality time-warp, then Brit Porn will never, ever prosper and stay the cottage-industry that some porn luddites seem content to keep it as.
Most of my points appear to have been leveled at Jimslip - it's NOT personal mate, I'm sure you're a really nice bloke, it's just that you were the most vocal in your counterpoints!
Big things could (and I suspect will) happen in Brit porn, but it's held back by those of you who fear change, it WILL happen guys, it's all just a matter of time...
Oh, yeah guys, my handle isn't 'Lata', it's right next to my posts - pagangod_uk!
Lata is as in Later as in See/Speak to you Later!!
Er, lata.
pagangod(!)
BTW - sorry to repeat this reply again guys, just wanted to put it in the correct place!
For starters, the so-called 'repetitive American crap' (and Brit porn isn't repetitive??!!) tends to use pretty much the same type of shooting kit - hand-held DV cameras, but they possess something you progress-fearing dinosaurs lack in truck-loads: IMAGINATION.
Oh yeah, to repeat myself - good quality, or to use that 'evil' term (at least to some here!) 'Production Values' - DOES NOT mean things costing an arm and leg, like I've already clearly stated, it's about SKILL.
I remember encountering the very SAME negative attitude about quality 7-8 years ago when I dipped my toe into the biz, and it's very, very clear that exacty the same attitude STILL very much dominates.
No change there then.
History lession for those of you who shoot in the so-called 'Gonzo' style but nonetheless criticise the yanks - gonzo was invented, it's generally acknowledged, by U.S. Performer-turned Director John (Bendover Babes) Stagliano, which was in turn adopted by our dearly-loved Ben Dover, then everybody else over here copied ad nauseum!! -
You Directors and Cameramen don't have to be trained to the BBC level, all you need to do is to study whats going in the porn that REALLY sells and you'll see precisely what I'm talking about - if you watch technique, sometimes it rubs off...!
And no, lighting does NOT have to be elaborate - a couple of lights with reflector brollies will suffice, plus this type of light FLATTERS the appearance of the girls - please DON'T tell me the girls looking good is not important!!!
Jimslip proudly revels in making porn on an almost amateur level as do others like him - but if he'd actually throughly read my original post he'd have realised that I'm NOT talking about, and I quote jimslip, ''swimming pool, stupid blue light hidden behind the sofa, venetian blinds, stupid twat in shades and bandanna, stupid twat girl with big hair and false tits'' etc, etc!
I too hate all that super glossy Vivid and Wicked, Michael Ninn type of pretentious rubbish!!
Also, that sort of style, by the way Jimslip, is SO early nineties - is that the last time you actually checked out your U.S. counterparts?
I mean are there any porn-makers here who are even aware that there's been a huge backlash in the last few years to what is known in the (U.S.) porn biz as the L.A. Makeover (plastic tits, big hair etc) look? The natural-look has been BIG for quite some time now.
Somebody here has already stated that porn is about fantasy and I think we all can all AGREE that is pretty much the truth - so if this maxim is indeed true, then why the living hell do we have to have a cameraman whos all over the place, quite often picking up his own reflection in a mirror? If I wanted to see some twat in a porn vid holding a camera I could film myself having a wank!!
My point here, is that every time the camera wobbles all over the place, it takes you OUT of the moment and you start to notice you're in a squalid litttle bedsit in South London watching girls who look like Crack-Hoes being porked by dodgy blokes who sound like used like used car salemen.
Thats not porn, thats just shit.
Some of you porn-makers really NEED to check out whats actually CURRENT in mainstream U.S. porn - Evil Angel, RedLight, Platinum etc, all produce excellent quality product, with top-notch content, featuring fantastic girls - U.S. Brit and Euro, all shot on DV, all gonzo style, all shot with MODEST budgets.
These guys KNOW how to shoot beautiful women - the likes of Alicia Rhodes, Issy Ice, Holly Wellin, Poppy Morgan etc. have never looked better, or performed as down and dirty in Brit porn as they have their in U.S. appearances!!
I keep hearing the very same excuses made by the very same people time and time again - money, legalities, punters don't care, etc. No not true - some of this is about GREED - I would say most producers are unwilling to plow money BACK into their product to improve it, which is sad, because it would REALLY sell abroad.
This is why we can't contend with the likes of the U.S. product and the quality Euro product (AssTraffic, DDF, 21st Sextury etc,), we are WAY behind the rest of the world because our producers are greedy, small-minded individuals that lack anything like foresight.
If we stay like this, stuck in an Eighties mentality time-warp, then Brit Porn will never, ever prosper and stay the cottage-industry that some porn luddites seem content to keep it as.
Most of my points appear to have been leveled at Jimslip - it's NOT personal mate, I'm sure you're a really nice bloke, it's just that you were the most vocal in your counterpoints!
Big things could (and I suspect will) happen in Brit porn, but it's held back by those of you who fear change, it WILL happen guys, it's all just a matter of time...
Oh, yeah guys, my handle isn't 'Lata', it's right next to my posts - pagangod_uk!
Lata is as in Later as in See/Speak to you Later!!
Er, lata.
pagangod(!)
BTW - sorry to repeat this reply again guys, just wanted to put it in the correct place!
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Deuce Bigolo
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Re: Porn lighting
See,heres the point Dibble
I can quite easily find something that appeals(saturated porn markets are like that) because I buy very little.It might not be the latest stuff but who ever said you have to support everything thats being made.
I've always found the best way for any Producer to get the message is to stop buying their produce if it doesn't appeal.Complaining about this and that is all well and good to get it out of your system(a constructive review would be better) but what I don't like someone else most likely does
When you take into account that all titles roughly sell the same(the mind boggles) amount of units regardless,why would you change what your doing?
Until it effects the bottom line of the Producer he ain't gonna change anything...thats reality not apathy
cheers
B....OZ
I can quite easily find something that appeals(saturated porn markets are like that) because I buy very little.It might not be the latest stuff but who ever said you have to support everything thats being made.
I've always found the best way for any Producer to get the message is to stop buying their produce if it doesn't appeal.Complaining about this and that is all well and good to get it out of your system(a constructive review would be better) but what I don't like someone else most likely does
When you take into account that all titles roughly sell the same(the mind boggles) amount of units regardless,why would you change what your doing?
Until it effects the bottom line of the Producer he ain't gonna change anything...thats reality not apathy
cheers
B....OZ
Re: It's 1 reason why most Americanporn is crap...
Thanks for your tirade. However you have made in my opinion the cardinal sin that all photgraphers who want to be video cameramen make. ie "Put 2 lights on reflector brollies" it flatters the girls.............er no it doesnt, it makes ALL the girls ALL look exactly the same, as if there being shot in Saisnburys, flat, lifeless, lighting...........a cameraman tried this on me abroad recently and I chucked his brollies out of the window!
Anyway, I think this is one of those futile arguments that will go on for ever. You obviously hate and loathe the contemporary, artistic excellence of Brit porn and adore the chintzy, fluffy kitten,80's, Miami Vice style of the Yanks.
Anyway, I think this is one of those futile arguments that will go on for ever. You obviously hate and loathe the contemporary, artistic excellence of Brit porn and adore the chintzy, fluffy kitten,80's, Miami Vice style of the Yanks.
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Winner "Best Loved Character"TVX SHAFTAS 2010
Winner of "Best On-Line scene & Best Gonzo Production" at UKAP Awards 2006
Winner of Best TVX series 2011, "Laras Anal Adventures"
Re: It's 1 reason why most Americanporn is crap...
You're flogging a dead horse .... I mentioned those US companies yesterday in my post above, along with Mayhem. No one in the UK is interested in looking outside the box, they've got the stereotypical blinkered view of US porn from the 90's. I went off and hated US porn in the 90's, but now you can't get better, there are so many companies producing good stuff with real girls ... Notorious, West Coast Prod, DSVX or whatever they're called now. US companies work because they're not one man bands ... they contract in the best producers for movies series and if they don't work, they get someone else. So Platinum have Michael Stefano, Jules Jordan, Jewel De Nyle, Sean Michaels for specific series .. then they move on - they cast their net a bit wider than the council flat and the same bloke nobbing girls who look like they've been dragged in off the street setting.
Re: It's 1 reason why most Americanporn is crap...
> Pagan god says:
> You Directors and Cameramen don't have to be trained to the BBC
> level, all you need to do is to study whats going in the porn
> that REALLY sells and you'll see precisely what I'm talking
> about - if you watch technique, sometimes it rubs off...!
>
>What, I can't believe you've got the gall to say this. Every night on the news there's some really dodgy camera work. Sections where they are not live and the camerman should have the ability to say, sorry I fucked up with a major wobble that looked like an earthquake, I'll go and get a tripod or...use a table or other stable object to rest my camera on. You really do deserve a bollocking for daring to say that we should aim to be like you. The last time I used a so called bbc trained camera person, as soon as the gril got her baps out, he backed off and was filming form outside the room, with half the door frame in.
> You Directors and Cameramen don't have to be trained to the BBC
> level, all you need to do is to study whats going in the porn
> that REALLY sells and you'll see precisely what I'm talking
> about - if you watch technique, sometimes it rubs off...!
>
>What, I can't believe you've got the gall to say this. Every night on the news there's some really dodgy camera work. Sections where they are not live and the camerman should have the ability to say, sorry I fucked up with a major wobble that looked like an earthquake, I'll go and get a tripod or...use a table or other stable object to rest my camera on. You really do deserve a bollocking for daring to say that we should aim to be like you. The last time I used a so called bbc trained camera person, as soon as the gril got her baps out, he backed off and was filming form outside the room, with half the door frame in.
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Re: Porn lighting
Wood for the trees, Lara. Pagangod is spot-on with everything he's saying and I speak as a UK director who's just as guilty as (nearly) everybody else.
Re: Porn lighting
Come on Deuce stop making excuses and drop Marino a mail and show this community how to make good british porn.
I promise to buy a copy
DG
Again Don't Tell me SHOW ME
I promise to buy a copy
DG
Again Don't Tell me SHOW ME
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pagangod_uk
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Whats your point??
I really do not understand what point you are trying to make??!!!
If it's about knocking BBC cameramen because you've seen 1 or 2 screw-ups then it's hardly a valid argument - to err is human, as they say.
In other words EVERYBODY makes mistakes - even highly trained people!!
Hardly the basis for a solid argument, is it?
As for 'your' BBC cameraman backing off out of the room - whats that all about? I mean 'and your point is?'
pagangod.
If it's about knocking BBC cameramen because you've seen 1 or 2 screw-ups then it's hardly a valid argument - to err is human, as they say.
In other words EVERYBODY makes mistakes - even highly trained people!!
Hardly the basis for a solid argument, is it?
As for 'your' BBC cameraman backing off out of the room - whats that all about? I mean 'and your point is?'
pagangod.