why is uk porn so poor?

[one eyed jack]

Enter stage left Sir Terence Stephens of One Eyed Jack infamy. I wholeheartedly agree Digi Guy (I think I know who you are, but that;s all Kool & The Gang. Matrix fan too, so your alright in my books).

Gonzo (POV)styles;

High end style: with attractive and or appealing young ladies attired in lingerie in fairly nice locations. Well lit and crisp sound and the girl is always centre frame throughout. This can either be shot first person or 3rd person looking in. The variations of this style go into....

...Documentary/ reality/ fly on the wall style: with attractive to appealing (and not so appealing) girl next door types which maybe (loosely) contrived. Tries to be amateur in style with the intention of piecing together quite well in editng

Low End/ Amateur/ Home made/ DIY style: Usually means filming is a lot more random with a cross section of real women of different shapes and sizes. The camera is sometimes fixed on a tripod or hand held, the bad variation that sometimes adds to this is the wild camera shake or the camera drifts from the action as the camera man gets more into it culminating in what might be a good video that you can't see what the hell is going on except for some blokes hairy arse going up and down and the sound of a woman moaning coming from underneath...somewhere. And the bloke usually wears his socks.

Scripted/ contrived style: Where the performers know what they are supposed to be doing but shot in a way that makes it look spontaneous but the perfomers never seem to deliver the lines with conviction because, lets face it, most people who shag in this business can't act for shit. Lets be honest.

There are more variations on these styles. We could go into fetish but they all have the same style in common that being gonzo/ pov the performers acknowledge the presence of the camera as party to their performance.

[Digi-Guy]

Terrence thanks for the input and its great to have someone who is giving British Porn some thought.

You see as a consumer I see Ben Dover does some dirty bitches in Coventry and I think yep great this guys as an angle. But then I watch Ben Dover does nice girls in Leeds and what I see is the same but with different girls beautifull though they be. Then I watch a road trip to bolivia and yes the first one is great but then I watch a road trip to katmandoo and the only thing different is the wall paper. It must be very difficult to create porn and create stuff within a working budget but surely even porn films need generic growth? As I said much too my shame I haven't seen any of your stuff which is because our local shops don't stock OEJ but I do rather feel that you have a similar style to the others or should I say they have a similar style to you.

I mean no offense by my postings to Ben or Marino or by the things I have written I'm just showing you how things are from my mad side of the lense. I watch far too much porn it is true but I do feel that British Gonzo has a great look and if taken in diffrent directions I'm sure it would be global killer.


Sorry to upset you Terry but I never got the Kool & The Gang thing and I'm still working out how agent Smith blanked Neo's eyes?

DG

Whats that, there are two more Matrix films to watch!

[Marino]

So Road Trip to St Tropez has no growth, at 42 grand at least I made an effort.
No offence taken, but I have shot my films in some of the best locatons avalable. However I also understand that the road trips aren't everyones cup of tea. But I do feel I have pushed the envelope a little.
Maybe the Twin Ceeks high budget movies when released will please you, Big locations full gloss and make up.
Or maybe U.S. porn is for you and we will never make the high benchmark you require for your personal viewing.
Each Roa dTrip comes in at around ten grand to shoot. Agin Digi Guy,
Why do you not mail me privately, with how you would put the money to good use in a film. I would love your advice on how to improve this product.
So we have ten grand to shoot a film. Come on Digi guy, help me spend it.

[Marino]

Eight people, brilliant sunshine, St Tropez, a British producer.
But No Growth!!!!!!!!


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[Digi-Guy]

"Maybe the Twin Ceeks high budget movies when released will please you, Big locations full gloss and make up"

OK my question was could the British Style of Gonzo be expanded. If your answer is yes it can and has been with Twin Ceeks I'm off to purchase.

"Or maybe U.S. porn is for you and we will never make the high benchmark you require for your personal viewing"

Why set the benchmark at US Porn when the question was can British Gonzo be expanded? I can't recal mentioning anything about US Porn.

"Why do you not mail me privately, with how you would put the money to good use in a film"

Answer questions below?

"I would love your advice on how to improve this product"

That sounds sarcy which is a shame so now I'll flip this back at you but than have a go at answering your question.
My buisness is tuned RC Nirto engines and my company funds both British and European teams. So I could do with your advise regarding the best way to get an 8 port 21 to level tune with a 9 port 21? I'll except mod filters and bigger slides but not turbo cranking. No budget just do it?

"So we have ten grand to shoot a film. Come on Digi guy, help me spend it"

OK again the question was can the British Gonzo style be expanded so how that question gets us here I don't know but it's maths time.

So Marino will give me ten grand to make a film and get it on the shelf but I need more information.

Working on a replicated inital run of 2500 units gives us a unit cost of ?4 plus vat. Working on an average shop buys in at ?5.50 plus vat then ?1.50 per unit is made on the initial run giving Marino & Co a yield of ?3,750 on intial. Second runs yield higher with only the below replication costs as intial working capital is gained on 1st run. If the initial run is set to 5000 units the cost per unit is ?2 resulting in a yield of ?5000. If replication is included in the working capital of ?10,000 taking the that SDC are currently replicating at 48p per disc at 2500 units including films, case printing and covers ?1,200 plus the vat needs to be taken from the ?10,000 working capital. Vat can be claimed back so in this case our working capital stands at ?8,800 not ?10,000.

So which is it?


DG


Feel free to phone a friend or ask GOOGLE

[Marino]

D.G.
Lets not degenerate to stupidity.
It's a simple statement. If you think you can make such a mind blowing film with ten thousand pounds. Then make a date with me, and lets see.

You do not have to worry about the dvd authoring cost. No one is interested. Put your idea to paper. And mail me with cast locations and full costings.
If you can expand the road trips, of course I am happy to take advice.

If of course you wish just to trade insults. I will be at the bgafd party. we can trade them directly if you wish.

One more thing. You're pricing for dvd is way out. So really from the start you do not know what you are talking about.

BUT FOR THE RECORD ONCE MORE TEN GRAND SHOOT A MOVIE AND PROOVE ME WRONG!

[marcusallen]

Why you guys give this Digi guy the time of day is beyond me.
Tou should know better.
Don't you know a wind-up when you see one?
Ignore the silly fucker, he has had his couple days of publicity.Let it be.

[NeilUK]

All this started with a post from someone who has been banned in the past. Won't name him as I am not sure if the mods want him named but he is a wind up merchant and a serial spammer. And I was incorrect when i guessed he was tomsk on another thread


Neil

[Marino]

Sorry guys I must have PMT or something.

[Digi-Guy]

"Lets not degenerate to stupidity"

Ok so you are not capable of answering my question but why not just admit you don't have a clue?

"You do not have to worry about the dvd authoring cost. No one is interested"

In which case answer my questions and I'll complete the task?

"If of course you wish just to trade insults. I will be at the bgafd party. we can trade them directly if you wish"

Well this does sound like a threat and just about par for you!

"You're pricing for dvd is way out"

Ok well at 3.00 pm I spoke with sdc at who confirmed DVD replication can be done at 48p per unit including DVD case and full colour printing. So if my pricing is way out you must be replicating for 30 to 38p per disc unless your using the china boys at 24p? I could also post their url's if you tempt me?

"So really from the start you do not know what you are talking about"

OK people I urge you to give SDC a call 01793 421300 and find out for yourselves who is spurting shit.


Marino I have sent you a mail with my number on it. If you are a man call me I will gladly travell to meet you ANYWHERE tonight for a nice chat.

Max Williams